mobius is looking for his copy. And Zee: Is mobius correct in remembering that Wolfe never took LSD while writing about it? So much for the first person in Faction and journalism. My definition of objectivity - perhaps we could call it "psychonautical objectivity", just for neologista word-geek kicks - includes and does not exclude the observer, since objectively speaking no data no story no mind exists in our good old empirical experience that does not include an observer. Zee, your word salad gives me glee! I will post a list of books soon on first person science. - mobius, from his secure undisclosed location